Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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avant4me wrote:I don't know how you haven't had one fully pass through on a Whitetail?

I double lunged a doe two days ago and it went clear through. (30 yards) Last year I shot a buck and it went clear through after destroying the heart and shattering the leg on its way out. (55 yards). All were 10.5" barrel.

I haven't ever heard of under penetrating being an issue with the 110gr blacktip.

I might have worded my response poorly. I have not had one fail to penetrate completely through the whitetail. I shoot for the heart/lung area and all of mine have been complete pass-throughs, leaving a jelly-like mess where the lungs had been.
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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haha gotcha.
Glad we share similar experiences!

I took my blackout to Michigan to hunt last year with no luck.
Hopefulyl this year
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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My google-fu has failed me. Are the 120 Vor-TX bullets available anywhere as just components?
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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I've had excellent luck with the 110 gr on hogs, but paper accuracy leaves a lot to be desired vs other less effective rounds in my experience.

With that said, gentlemen, you're slicing it pretty fine - I've had good luck with *every* solid copper Barnes on hogs, including with the lowly 357 and 44 Mags out of 5" - 6.5". I found the 120's at Midway and picked up some to see how they agree with my rifles.

I'd be very surprised to see a statistically significant difference between the 110 and 120 as applied to 80-150 lb animals. If the 120 turns out to be meaningfully more accurate, I'll take the reduction in velocity. I'd got a variety of 300s in AR and bolt and the 110 Black Tip is the worst in accuracy, best in actual performance across all platforms.

I really like the 300 if you're looking for compact/lightweight inside 150-200 yards with an expected range of 100 or less. Outside that, I'd suggest moving further up the food chain.

Edit - Zombie thread. Apologies. So how has the 120 turned out to perform since 2015? :lol:
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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ar2088 wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:18 pm This beats me. Since 120gr has lower velocity and lower energy (which is a combination of weight and velocity) than 110gr, how can it penetrate deeper than 110gr?
MASS MASS MASS ...... that extra mass makes a diff..... and where are you getting your numbers from because those are incorrect!
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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Eroc223 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:30 pm
ar2088 wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:18 pm This beats me. Since 120gr has lower velocity and lower energy (which is a combination of weight and velocity) than 110gr, how can it penetrate deeper than 110gr?
MASS MASS MASS ...... that extra mass makes a diff..... and where are you getting your numbers from because those are incorrect!
5 years ago he did his research and his numbers are as correct now, as they were then. Both with loaded ammo and hand loads.

The problem is bullet length and maximum velocity you can obtain. to have the same energy level the 120 grain bullet needs to be traveling within 100 fps of the 110. In this cartridge it's just not possible without reducing the max speed of the 110.

Not only do you have 10 more grains to push out the barrel, you have to do it with about 2 grains less powder. It just does not work out.

Penetration is a completely different issue. The faster a bullet opens up to a larger diameter, the faster it stops. This is in design and really has nothing to do with compared kinetic energy or velocity. A 110 grain bullet can be designed to penetrate 20" at 2000 fps, while a 220 grain bullet can be designed to penetrate 10" or 30" at the same speed. It's all in the design.
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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Wasn’t too impressed this fall with the 150 Gold dots (although they were very accurate). Thinking of going back to the Barnes. What’s the new consensus for rolling your own - 110 or 120 ? It’ll be for a bolt gun so I can load the 120 longer than saami
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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Why weren't you impressed with the 150 GD? Did you lose an animal?
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Re: Barnes 110gr vs 120gr Vor-TX

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I have and continue to use the 110s. Surprised at the comments on accuracy. Those 110s shoot consistent 1/2" groups at 75 yards for my son out of his Ruger Ranch. It's been a great whitetail combo.
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