New 300blk scope from pfi (pride fowler industries)

[Casper]

Casper, why don't you offer Randy $300

I won't lie, I'll gladly take the glass off of Randy's hands for $300, I might even go higher.

I keep thinking of going for the Leopold, but $1,300 for an optic on a $300 toy seems little bit much for me.

What do you think Randy, feel like parting with the glass?

[randyrucker]

Casper, why don't you offer Randy $300

I won't lie, I'll gladly take the glass off of Randy's hands for $300, I might even go higher.

I keep thinking of going for the Leopold, but $1,300 for an optic on a $300 toy seems little bit much for me.

What do you think Randy, feel like parting with the glass?

I don't know. Just took it to the range again today. Shot some supersonic and subsonic suppressed through it. The holdovers work as long as you can see them. Working at 200 yrds. its a little hard for me to see small targets at 4x. If this thing went out to 6x it would be perfect. At this price point it probably is the best scope out there for the Blk. The problem is if I sell it with no replacement then I won't have anything to hunt with in October. I don't mind paying 1000 bucks for this scope with the original reticule and 6x power. If Richard said that new scope was coming out next month, I'd sell this one in a heart beat and upgrade to it. As it is I can't find anything better with a Blkout reticule....

I'm trying to get my groups below one inch at 100 yrs. This is a ten shot group. That is a perfect range for this scope. I can see the target pretty well. Those brackets in the reticule match a 4 inch circle exactly at 100 yrds. Don't know if that was by accident or they made it that way but its nice.

[GSO]

Randy,

Did you zero at 50 yards and use the 100-yard holdover mark?

I'm hoping to take mine out today with a rifle I just built and haven't test fired yet... Also need to test fire some RTBA 150 grain JSP that I got a few weeks ago. More unknowns than I would like, but it is what it is. My wife also wants to shoot her new 9mm Shield again, but looks like we may have lightning. I don't mind the rain, but lightning and rifles don't seem like a good idea to me. I'm anxious to see if the ranging marks work at 100, 200 and 300 yards for supersonic ammo that I'll use for hog hunting.

Thanks,

Greg

[randyrucker]

Randy,

Did you zero at 50 yards and use the 100-yard holdover mark?

I'm hoping to take mine out today with a rifle I just built and haven't test fired yet... Also need to test fire some RTBA 150 grain JSP that I got a few weeks ago. More unknowns than I would like, but it is what it is. My wife also wants to shoot her new 9mm Shield again, but looks like we may have lightning. I don't mind the rain, but lightning and rifles don't seem like a good idea to me. I'm anxious to see if the ranging marks work at 100, 200 and 300 yards for supersonic ammo that I'll use for hog hunting.

Thanks,

Greg

Ok, thats explains why I was a little high at 200 yrs. I zeroed it at 100yrds. I was using the first mark for a 200 yrd hold. I guess I should re-read the section in the manual titled "Understanding the Reticle". Those brackets in the reticule match my 4 inch target so nice at 100 yrds. I don't see a hold line for 200 yrds. Am I supposed to interpolate between 100 and 300 lines? I'm not good at public math. I'll have to go out again this week after I do some more reloads. I'll try the 300 yrd line. I've never shot that far before. I hate to see my groups.....

[Casper]

Randy,

I don't blame you at all for not wanting to part with your scope with no alternative.

Thanks for the review as well, this is looking more and more appealing as a low cost option for the .300blk.

[randyrucker]

Randy,

Did you zero at 50 yards and use the 100-yard holdover mark?

I'm hoping to take mine out today with a rifle I just built and haven't test fired yet... Also need to test fire some RTBA 150 grain JSP that I got a few weeks ago. More unknowns than I would like, but it is what it is. My wife also wants to shoot her new 9mm Shield again, but looks like we may have lightning. I don't mind the rain, but lightning and rifles don't seem like a good idea to me. I'm anxious to see if the ranging marks work at 100, 200 and 300 yards for supersonic ammo that I'll use for hog hunting.

Thanks,

Greg

Ok, I went to the range again today. Three days in a row. Lots of trigger time this week. I wanted to re-zero at 50 yrds and use the first holdover mark as GSO suggested for 100 yrds interpolate between the first holdover and the "3" line for 200 yrds and try the "3" line for 300 yrds. This is what the manual says on page 8:

"Starting with the center of the reticle, the initial ballistic hold is 50 yards on center. 100 yards is the first cross below center. Thereafter, each holdover is indicated by the numbers "3" through "7". 200 yards is approximately half the distance between the 100 and the 300 yard holdover"

Let me say this is completely wrong. After a lot of frustration on the range, (see results below), I called Richard at PFI and he confirmed to me the manual is wrong. He said it was written by multiple people and he may have to edit that page. I should have known by just looking at the first line down below center cross is way to much holdover for a 100 yrd shot with a zero at 50 yrds. The impact point for 50 yrds and 100 yrds is almost the same, you don't need a holdover for 100yrds. He told me the first line down below center cross is in fact the holdover for 200 yrds and halfway between the first line and the "3" line is 250 yrds. He recommended zeroing the scope at longer ranges first using the appropriate hold line and then work back to shorter distances. So it looks like I need to go back to the drawing board once again with this scope and re-zero it at 200 or 300 yards and see how it hits at 100 and 50 yrds.

This is my 50 yrd zero group using 125 gr SMK, 2221 FPS.



100 yrd group using first holdover line below center cross. (about 4 inch high):



200 yrds using half way between first line and "3" line. (like the manual says to do) only 1 shot hit tgt. rest were off tgt high.

[randyrucker]

BTW, Richard said that new 1-6x scope with the original reticule might be out in about a month and retail between $1500-$1600.

[twp5253]

BTW, Richard said that new 1-6x scope with the original reticule might be out in about a month and retail between $1500-$1600.

OK so if I want the 1-6x unit then why would the PFI one be better than the http://www.nordenperformance.com/crs_instructions.html unit? Just asking, not flaming
I am actually patiently waiting for the VCOG to become available. But, I need more glass as my eyes just don't do well with Iron sights.

[randyrucker]

BTW, Richard said that new 1-6x scope with the original reticule might be out in about a month and retail between $1500-$1600.

OK so if I want the 1-6x unit then why would the PFI one be better than the http://www.nordenperformance.com/crs_instructions.html unit? Just asking, not flaming
I am actually patiently waiting for the VCOG to become available. But, I need more glass as my eyes just don't do well with Iron sights.

I don't think the GRSC is for the Blkout. I think its for 5.56. Even so $1500 or so does seem a bit steep to me for a 1x6 scope, but we will have to see what US optics comes out with.... The VCOG at 2200+ is really steep.

[twp5253]

BTW, Richard said that new 1-6x scope with the original reticule might be out in about a month and retail between $1500-$1600.

OK so if I want the 1-6x unit then why would the PFI one be better than the http://www.nordenperformance.com/crs_instructions.html unit? Just asking, not flaming
I am actually patiently waiting for the VCOG to become available. But, I need more glass as my eyes just don't do well with Iron sights.

I don't think the GRSC is for the Blkout. I think its for 5.56. Even so $1500 or so does seem a bit steep to me for a 1x6 scope, but we will have to see what US optics comes out with.... The VCOG at 2200+ is really steep.

I think I read that GRSC is going to offer up a .308 scope pretty soon. I have all three of the calibers mentioned. I think I can get the VCOG for about $1800 with my military discount...fingers crossed. Just not sure which one I will get