Coward of Broward County

[Flatliner]

The news seems to be shifting to much blame from the perpetrator to the cops.

I am afraid I have to take issue with this statement. What has come to light is that there were many opportunities to stop this and this was simply the last failure.

Sadly, there are a lot of factors to blame and nobody is discussing a real solution. I will personally give zero ground on 2A BUT it may be time to discuss how to ensure only people who can legally and mentally possess a firearm should have one. I would never support registration of my guns. Simply won't do it. That has almost always proven to be a precursor to confiscation. I DO register my NFA stuff simply because I am not interested in a 10 year vacation but I intellectually disagree with doing so.

What I COULD support is registration of myself as someone legally and mentally able to have a firearm in my possession IF the law were written correctly, there were guaranteed speedy process resources to appeal should I be denied, and there was a win for having the card (like no longer needing a background check and abolishing the NFA).

I, like almost all of you, am an adult, citizen, and of sound mind and wouldn't mind providing proof of that if it would prevent another tragedy like this one.

[Mike7.62]

I have been thinking about this more in the last few days in the context of a recent glossy magazine article about a police shooting involved in a vertical clearing incident. It seems like a shooting involving LE the cops end up to often holding the crappy end of the stick. If we were not so quick to blame police for a shooting we might get better protection.

I still think it would have been his duty to have gone in. In the years I worked as a Paramedic I took chances just because I was suppose to. It is what you are paid and trained to do. A person just has to zone into the task at hand, go on automatic pilot so to speak.

Maybe police departments need to run drills doing this type,of thing. Having a vest designed to stop a rifle round for duty officers at schools would do wonders for boosting courage.

The news seems to be shifting to much blame from the perpetrator to the cops.

There is a reason for that. That reason is because LE at the local and Federal level have failed massively, either through laziness, cowardice, or incompetence, or a combination of all three. I carried a badge for close to 15 years, and when you do so you agree to take risks and to perform the job which you have sworn to do. These guys did not do that, and in fact, in the case of the FBI, totally ignored the threat.

IMO, the FBI needs to be either cleaned out from top to bottom, or permanently shut down, as they are guilty of malfeasance in this case, and possibly treason at higher levels. They are too busy trying to hide evidence and use bogus information to spy on citizens and keep someone from becoming POTUS, or to entrap some room temperature IQ individual into perpetrating a crime for headlines sake , rather than to actually follow up on information that might have actually saved 17 lives. They did the same thing with the Ft. Hood shooter, the Boston Marathon bombing, the attempt to kill Pam Geller in Garland, TX and now Parkland, FL.

The Sheriff of "Coward" County Fl needs to resign or be shown the door. According to the FL Sun Sentinel he has allegedly been hiring campaign contributors for jobs, and it seems as if some of them are not too good at it. When you go to an individual's residence over 20 times for domestic violence calls, but never actually arrest someone, and then your deputies stay outside of a building where a shooting is occurring until after the shooting stops, it's beyond time to go. All of these people should be fired and stripped of their pensions and any other benefits, as they are obviously not earning them. They should also be civilly prosecuted, though they will likely hide behind immunity from such as negligence or failure to exercise due care is not enough to create liability. You can't be sued for cowardice it seems.

I don't agree with the press on much, but in this case, they should be focusing on the malfeasance and incompetence of the LE involved, because it was there in spades.

[rebel]

I think I'll play devil's advocate here. One minute we put cops on a pedestal and the next minute they are cowards.
Let's pretend
Suppose we got to rent an abandoned mall for a day. I'll go in with "some" of my stuff and you guys come in and get me after 10 minutes.
Guess what - your dead. Dead as a hammer. Until you overwhelm me, you all die.
Anyone that knows anything about battle knows this. Once I root in, I have the advantage until numbers get so big I can't engage targets. Then I move behind more barriers.
This shooting didn't last long. Maybe he could have saved some, but he surely would have taken inbound rifle rounds in the process and that would be that.
Not one of you knows what you would have done unless you were there. Any experienced soldier or marine can tell you that. I'm not one but if this were an exercise with non lethals, I'd get a bunch of you before you got me. Guaranteed.
There was one of him and he was out gunned. Judge not, that is what progressive socialists do.

[hardcase]

I did not mean to imply that the cop and later the cops plural at the scene were to blame, only that some news media outlets seems to be making more and more of a deal about the cops not going in to stop this tragedy. LE usually follow whatever are their established procedures. While I think LE should have gone in, we were not there. I suspect the cop on the scene knew nothing about the shooter's history. The shooter was to blame.

If LE would followed up like they should, there is no need for us citizens to prove we are capable of buying a firearm except maybe age. Our brains are not fully developed until about the age of 23. When I was in high school in the redneck South, it was common practice to shoot a black powder cannon or even a black powder pistol with no bullet when the home school scored a touchdown. As has been said, we have enough gun laws.

I also think the news media is after shock appeal and carry some blame inciting copy-cats. Some news media outlets are also making to much out of the AR 15 implying evil assault rifles. Most reporters have not even handled any type of gun much less an AR 15.

I am also not happy with the way every orifice we have can be explored but that is the trend in the computer generation and don't see that stopping anytime soon. Example, I went to the doctor last week. The NA ask me what meds I was taking and I told her. She said I see from checking online you are taking XXX. I told her why the heck ask me if you know already. My I-phone updated. A tab popped up that said if I wanted to continue using my I-phone to check emails, I had to give Goggle the ability to check stuff on my phone.

[rebel]

All of this is a slippery, well oiled, 450 ft sliding board with roofing tacks at the bottom. Do not sink to the progressives level and assign blame to one guy. Plenty knew, starting with his fellow students, so I'll be the asshole that calls BS on them. You knew, you did nothing and folks died. That does not trump my rights - period. Your teachers knew, his caretakers knew, the cops knew and the FBI knew.
Try to blame the NRA? Sorry, this just don't stick.
Try to blame a bump stock when it had nothing to do with this - don't stick.
Mainstream media - don't stick.
They have just cheapened the lives lost. Blame jelly doughnuts while your at it.
I am angry, I feel awful about those kids, And I am not to be trifled with.
Libtards can go stick their head in the sand and hope no one harms them. Populate Mars with these idiots so they can have their own society.
I call BS.

[smustian]

Populate Mars with these idiots so they can have their own society.

Too close. Neptune gets my vote.

[Mike7.62]

Rebel,

I think that there were actually four BCS deputies who were there while the shooting was still ongoing, at least that's what the reports are stating. They swore an oath to uphold the laws and serve the people of Broward County, and they get paid quite handsomely to do so. If they are unwilling to do that job, then what's the point in having them around? Why have an armed LEO on scene if he is not going to do his job? Seems like an awful waste of the taxpayer's money.

As far as culpability for the action, yes it's on the shooter, totally. But contributing to his ability to act is the negligence of the BCS over the time leading up to the shooting. They knew that this perpetrator was a problem, having been called to his residence numerous times for violent acts. Their failure to enforce the law on this individual for those violent acts was the proximate cause of his ability to access the weapon used in the shooting. IMO that makes the BCS Dept. partially responsible for the ability of Cruz to act. The failure of the deputies to intervene when they had the ability to do so also makes the BCS Dept. responsible for him being able to complete his action without hindrance.

The FBI shares the rest of the blame for their incompetence and/or lack of interest in what was reported to them. If LE in this country refuse to do their job, then why do we continue to pay them their salaries and pensions? To hand out speeding tickets and haul in the drunks on Saturday night? To play spy games and attempt political coups in Washington, DC while letting tips about possible mass murderers go unchecked? All I'm saying is that LE should be doing the jobs that they have sworn to do, and are paid to do, regardless of the danger to themselves. After all, that was part of the job description when they signed on. If they don't want the risk, then leave the job. Period.End.

[bearcatrp]

There is plenty of blame to go around, Federal, state and local level. But something tells me there is more that we are not being told. Did any of you see the interview with the teacher that peaked out the door then scooted her kids into the classroom? I saw it once. My wife saw it too. She stated the kid was in full tactile gear, bullet proof vest, and wearing a helmet. Never saw it again. Now another slight possibility, however way out there, but think it should be considered. The cops were told NOT to enter. Dam politics! Democrats! Could possibly see one cop not going in, but 3 more? Have never ever heard of cops not doing there job in anything! This may be way out there but instead of asking why, how about why not. Could this be an agenda to swing public opinion to go after the guns? I hope the hell not but something about this is all wrong. Just my opinion folks.

[blaster]

I don't have a link but have been reading on another forum about some kind of agreement between the School Board and the Broward Sheriff to NOT arrest juveniles so the statistics of juvenile crime go down to make the school system look better and get more funding. this has been going on for some time now and some of the papers I saw even had Travon Martin's name on them. this is the reason the cops went to the shooter's house 39 times and never arrested him. if this is true, the idiots politicians that did it are as guilty as the shooter for the murder of those kids!

[gds]

Gentleman. I ask out of respect of those that were murdered to please be careful with conspiracy theories.

I have read some online that are out in left field. Please be careful.

I am not saying we cannot speculate on some things, but let us not get stuck on stupid.