I think you misunderstood my intent of that post. Long Rage hunting is all the rage now, I see it at the local level at my shop as well as it being glorified on TV and the internet. What you say is true with correct caveat - with the correct bullet and proper load the 308 and 30/06 are 400 plus yard hunting capable. So with bullet X that has never failed me out to 125 yards, I'm gonna try it at 400, 450 maybe 500 yards.Grouse870 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:28 amI get all that for sure but I disagree on some of your points. The .308 and .30-06 with pretty much any “big game hunting” will reliably expand out to 400+ yards which encompasses a vast majority of hunting so the “average” hunter probably doesn’t spend as much time thinking about bullet performance. But the discussion here is not about what type of hunter you are, it’s about bullet performance. I want to use the best bullet possible weather that’s the 110/120 tac x or not. Back to the discussion I sent a follow up email to federal asking about the 1800 expansion velocity and how basically it made the load a 100 yard deer load and they responded with “the 300 blackout is not a long range load” so take that for what it’s worth.
Maybe I'm somewhat jaded, but this is the thinking of the average hunter, non or novice reloader.
My point was that if ballistics data states that the bullet will have minimum expansion velocity at 350 yards, someone would ignorantly try 450, because A) they are arrogant and believe their skills are far greater than they are. B) They are completely ignorant of ballistics or C) they don't give a damn whether they kill or wound (see A about arrogance). edit - not saying you think this way at all!
Although Extreme Long Range ( ELR ) came about before this, the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor has propagated this into whomever owns a rifle chambered in this can add his own crater to the moon.
Wasn't comparing the 3 cartridges, rather expressing the concern about folks looking at minimum expansion velocity and confusing that with maximum effective terminal results. There are many,many yards between the two.