Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by bangbangping » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:58 pm

nolwark76 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:46 pm
https://www.federalpremium.com/products ... /f300bmsr2

I've got weak Google fu and found lots of videos and this from Federal.
I don't know if that's the GD bullet or not, but 1900 fps is lame. You should easily beat that in a 16" by 200+ fps. by handloading.

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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by NeverBlue » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:24 pm

nolwark76 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:46 pm
https://www.federalpremium.com/products ... /f300bmsr2

I've got weak Google fu and found lots of videos and this from Federal.
Yeah I was looking at thier Fusion Rifle... didn’t see the MSR. Anyway that doesn’t look like the same bullet. The 150GDBLK doesn’t have that boat tail.
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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by dellet » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:57 pm

bangbangping wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:58 pm
nolwark76 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:46 pm
https://www.federalpremium.com/products ... /f300bmsr2

I've got weak Google fu and found lots of videos and this from Federal.
I don't know if that's the GD bullet or not, but 1900 fps is lame. You should easily beat that in a 16" by 200+ fps. by handloading.
I think the Fusion has a higher expansion velocity threshold. I looked it up one time but don't remember where I found it. Trajectory and drop from Federal's website is discouraging, drops below 1600 fps around 150 yards, that's my default speed.

The thing about the Speer is the flat base, no wasted space and it's close to the lands at mag length. Hard to beat that for loading efficiency.
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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by dellet » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:30 pm

nolwark76 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:48 am
Any updates on this bullet? More load confirmation? More hunting kills?

Dellet, you're using A1680 for your load, is that right? We can go to PM if you don't want to put it here.

Lastly, does anyone know if the Federal Fusion 150 grain uses this 150 GD bullet? Looks similar and Federal loads several people's bullets in their ammo.
I would have to go back to the early part of the thread to see what I used in which rifle. I know one of the loads was Accurate 11FS. It's closer to 296 on the burn rate. One of the reasons I use 1680 or something similar with the heavier bullets is accuracy, not velocity. I can get more speed with 296, but accuracy falls apart at high end. A bit less velocity with 1680 and it's much easier to tune.

I do know that I used 11FS to shoot dimes at 100 yards with a 8" barreled AR and this bullet and a 6X scope. Velocity was around 1900 fps.
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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by rebel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:11 pm

Dellet turned me on to 1680 for this bullet. It works great, it clearly has a different personality with supers.
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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by nolwark76 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm

So what did you guys settle on for A1680? Obviously I'll be starting a few grains less and work up.

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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by dellet » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:13 am

nolwark76 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm
So what did you guys settle on for A1680? Obviously I'll be starting a few grains less and work up.
You will max out around 22 grains, depending on how you size your brass.

22 grains @ 2.220" gives you about .200" of bullet in the neck with slight compression. I try to keep about 105-110% case fill with 1680.
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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by nolwark76 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:21 am

NB, got it. I probably could have figured that out when looking at the ogive but as stated, white belt Google fu and I hadn't seen pics of the bullets side by side. In those pics, even without the BT, its obvious that's not the 150 GD...at least the 300 AAC one as Speer makes a 308 GD ammo with 150 grain bullets.

Thanks Dellet. I'll work up to that.

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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by popper » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 pm

Dellet - I shot a few speer GD BO last week @ 100 (1680). Range has 1" wall fiberboard for backer. Nice big round holes vs the 'pointy' holes left by hornady SP 150s. More like my flat nose cast @ 2k fps. My guess the BC changes due to nose slump on firing. Don't have QL but wondering if 335 or 4895 might give better results from 18" 1:10 carbine? If so, should add an extra 50yds effective range.

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Re: Speer Gold Dot 150 BLK

Post by bangbangping » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:36 pm

popper wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 pm
Dellet - I shot a few speer GD BO last week @ 100 (1680). Range has 1" wall fiberboard for backer. Nice big round holes vs the 'pointy' holes left by hornady SP 150s. More like my flat nose cast @ 2k fps. My guess the BC changes due to nose slump on firing. Don't have QL but wondering if 335 or 4895 might give better results from 18" 1:10 carbine? If so, should add an extra 50yds effective range.
Not sure about the nose slump theory, but my opinion is that they shoot too well for that to be happening. 335 and 4895 are way too slow.

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