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Put Everything in the NFA

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The Nevada shooting got me thinking about ways to stop the next one. A buddy and I were watching the news, and head this guy say that the NFA has been the most effective piece of legislation to date.

I had to agree. Begrudgingly.

Now, anyone who knows me knows that I follow the Constitution. Anything that contradicts it is illegal, and those responsible should be dealt with according to existing laws. That said, if we do have to have unconstitutional laws, then I have to agree with the liberals who want common sense gun legislation, provided that it works.

We know that NFA weapons aren't used in crimes (except by a cop once) , and those who hold stamps are the most law abiding of us all. Therefore, why not require all weapons to be registered with the NFA?

Only real differences I would make are these. Firstly, theres no point in doing a background check on an item. Do the background check on the individual. duh. Secondly, the wait is unacceptable. A person has the presumption of innocence, so the item should be procured by the individual at point of sale, then added to his/her account in the NFA registry as a shall issue item. The burden is on the ATF then to deny the right, only if there is cause to do so.

It would work this way...
Fill out ATF Form X to register you in the system. All legal gun owners would have to, in order to possess. A Photo ID would be issued to you similar to a CCW, CPL, CWP whatever you call it in your state. Go to the gun store in person or online, pick out your can, M-16, 9mm beretta, whatever, and take it to the clerk. Present your ID, which proves you have been background checked, and cleared as a non prohibited person. Pay for your items, and leave with them.

What say ye?
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Nice sentiment, but since you said, "I follow the Constitution", that is wholly impossible.
The 2nd amendment is not a privilege, it is a very critical "right".

Please read this:
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Well , first off right out of the gate , in '86 , with a perfect record of over 50 years of zero crime commission , what did the government do to machineguns ?

If one cannot learn from that , well , what can I say ?

Second , I think a " gun card " is a great idea . You apply for one and get approved . You must be found guilty of a crime by a jury that makes you ineligible to own a weapon to have it revoked .It allows you to buy anything and as much as you want . No records are kept . If you have a gun and no card - major crime with long jail sentence . NRA proposed this in the '60s . The scuba diver's " air card " was the inspiration . The government was not interested . It would reduce crime , and that was not their goal , then nor now .
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Dr.Phil wrote:Nice sentiment, but since you said, "I follow the Constitution", that is wholly impossible.
The 2nd amendment is not a privilege, it is a very critical "right".

Please read this:
viewtopic.php?f=149&t=101205

I agree that it is a right, and have even been banned from gun forums for insisting upon it too loudly.
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What your proposal would create would be defacto gun registration that has historically proven to be the precursor to confiscation. A 'firearm purchasers card' that proves I am constitutionally able to purchase and possess any gun (NFA or non-NFA) that I want with zero extra paperwork or tracking, I could get behind. Any system that ties me to specific firearms and tracks future transfers, I could not and would not support.
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ProdigalSun wrote:The Nevada shooting got me thinking about ways to stop the next one. A buddy and I were watching the news, and head this guy say that the NFA has been the most effective piece of legislation to date.

I had to agree. Begrudgingly.


Now, anyone who knows me knows that I follow the Constitution. Anything that contradicts it is illegal, and those responsible should be dealt with according to existing laws. That said, if we do have to have unconstitutional laws, then I have to agree with the liberals who want common sense gun legislation, provided that it works.

We know that NFA weapons aren't used in crimes (except by a cop once) , and those who hold stamps are the most law abiding of us all. Therefore, why not require all weapons to be registered with the NFA?

Only real differences I would make are these. Firstly, theres no point in doing a background check on an item. Do the background check on the individual. duh. Secondly, the wait is unacceptable. A person has the presumption of innocence, so the item should be procured by the individual at point of sale, then added to his/her account in the NFA registry as a shall issue item. The burden is on the ATF then to deny the right, only if there is cause to do so.

It would work this way...
Fill out ATF Form X to register you in the system. All legal gun owners would have to, in order to possess. A Photo ID would be issued to you similar to a CCW, CPL, CWP whatever you call it in your state. Go to the gun store in person or online, pick out your can, M-16, 9mm beretta, whatever, and take it to the clerk. Present your ID, which proves you have been background checked, and cleared as a non prohibited person. Pay for your items, and leave with them.

What say ye?
After a very long absence, you come back with some bull crap like this. Even your tag line disputes the your highlighted comments. The NFA is a restriction of my rights given by the 2A. You are stating that all good guys need to have their weapons registered and bad guys don't need to. Do a little history search and see how that turned out for citizens of Russia, Germany and Venezuela.

If this is what you have to offer the forum, please go away again (and take your friend) and forget this site.
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But if you have a tax stamp and or CCW, you are not only supporting, but are a "member". Im not guiltless here, as I have them as well.

Registration does lead to confiscation historically, I cannot deny this. It was my first thought and argument against my own proposal.

Such confiscation efforts would quickly be met with a militia response that would devastate those attempting the confiscation, so Im not overly concerned about that one. By the numbers, we have so many more people....it would be foolish. There just arent enough people in the police and military combined to fight off even the licenced hunters in the nation. We would crush them. We also have the food, meds, and make the ammo and parts they need to fight us.
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emmagee1917 wrote:Well , first off right out of the gate , in '86 , with a perfect record of over 50 years of zero crime commission , what did the government do to machineguns ?

If one cannot learn from that , well , what can I say ?

Second , I think a " gun card " is a great idea . You apply for one and get approved . You must be found guilty of a crime by a jury that makes you ineligible to own a weapon to have it revoked .It allows you to buy anything and as much as you want . No records are kept . If you have a gun and no card - major crime with long jail sentence . NRA proposed this in the '60s . The scuba diver's " air card " was the inspiration . The government was not interested . It would reduce crime , and that was not their goal , then nor now .
Chris
If you believe that your head is in the sand. Notice with the Las Vegas shooter that they VERY QUICKLY tracked EVERY gun purchase he had made for the last 10 years in multiple states. You are constantly being watched and "registered" every time you purchase a weapon through a FFL.
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What would stop these types of shootings? Thats my point here. Save lives, and make some laws that would be effective, and prevent the libs from making any more laws.

You saw what one guy can do with a semi auto AR and a couple mods. Imagine what would happen to a foreign or domestic force trying to take our freedoms.
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smustian wrote:
emmagee1917 wrote:Well , first off right out of the gate , in '86 , with a perfect record of over 50 years of zero crime commission , what did the government do to machineguns ?

If one cannot learn from that , well , what can I say ?

Second , I think a " gun card " is a great idea . You apply for one and get approved . You must be found guilty of a crime by a jury that makes you ineligible to own a weapon to have it revoked .It allows you to buy anything and as much as you want . No records are kept . If you have a gun and no card - major crime with long jail sentence . NRA proposed this in the '60s . The scuba diver's " air card " was the inspiration . The government was not interested . It would reduce crime , and that was not their goal , then nor now .
Chris
If you believe that your head is in the sand. Notice with the Las Vegas shooter that they VERY QUICKLY tracked EVERY gun purchase he had made for the last 10 years in multiple states. You are constantly being watched and "registered" every time you purchase a weapon through a FFL.
Thats the truth
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